MD09: 3 Steps to Launching a Business With no Product, List or Budget Ft. Robert Coorey

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The most common thing right when you decide you want to be your own boss, the first step to every online or offline marketing strategy; crafting your product launch.

But what if you don’t have a product or anyone to sell it to? I say anyone to sell it too because ideally you should have a list of leads or people already who would be interest in whatever you have to sell them.

In an ideal world you should already have a list of emails or contacts to which you would ask what their problems are, they would magically tell you their problems you would then create a product to solve those problems and PRESTO! money flowing in!

But, the world is very different than that and a lot of people don’t have a list or even a budget they can use to create a list.

Introducing Robert Coorey; a guy that almost broke the world record for most attendees to a Webinar (more on this in the episode) and he even crashed the Webinar system because he had 8,000 people live at the same time. But i don’t want to spoil the episode for you, click play and listen more about the story behind this.

The Three Step Process to Launching A Business Without a Product that You Will Learn in This Episode:

Step 1 – Gathering a list and Figuring out a Product
– From Facebook
– From Linkedin
– Other Sources
Step 2 – Getting Affiliates to Promote it For you
– Different sources to find affiliates
– How to pitch to these affiliates
Step 3 – Launching
– How to prepare the launch
– Setting up a Webinar
– Closing on Sales

Resources Mentioned on The Show

By Robert Coorey:

– feedastarvingcrowd.com

– Linkedin

Additional Resources

– Webinar Software: There’s plenty of them, one recommended by a lot of people is GoToWebinar

– Email Software to Manage Leads: Aweber

If you have any questions feel free to post them below or send me a tweet.

Transcript

What is up, amigos? Welcome back to the Monetary Podcast. This is your friendly host, Borja Basso, and I just came back from New York City, to Florida, where I was headhunting for some developers that will help me create a piece of software that will help a lot of you to make your life easier, because I have been chatting with some of you, via email, and you have been telling me some of your problems. So, I decided to create this new something that I will tell you more about in the future.

Right now, I want to let you know, I want to tell you about today’s episode, because it is awesome. It is going to help a lot of you. It’s going to make things very clear, because I’ve noticed a certain trend amongst beginners. You know, they don’t know where to begin, where to start. When you’re just starting out, you’re, sort of, lost. You don’t know where to start. You might have no product. You don’t have an idea. Perhaps, you don’t even have a budget, and that’s what today’s episode is all about.

I have with me, Robert Coorey, from feedastarvingcrowd.com, and he’s going to talk about how to start, if you have no product, no list, or even no budget. So, stay tuned guys. We’re going to jump right into the interview. We’re going to go through this step by step process they have to follow if you want to create something, but you have no idea how to create it, or you don’t even have someone to sell it too. So, let’s jump right into the interview with Robert.

Hey Robert, what’s up man? Thanks for coming on the show. I really appreciate it.

Robert Coorey: It’s great to be here.

Borja: Yeah, so Robert, today we’re going to take our guests through the process of how to launch if you have no budget, no list, no product, and no nothing. But, before we get to that, would you mind telling our audience a little about your business? What is your business, and how did you get started with marketing?

Robert Coorey: Yeah, so, I run a business called Feed A Starving Crowd, and what I do is, I have three sections of my business. I’ve got a book, which is called Feed A Starving Crowd, as well. It’s a best seller on Amazon, and it’s been downloaded many, many times around the internet. And then, I’ve also got a training course, which goes into the concepts of Feed A Starving Crowd in more detail. And finally, I’ve got my coaching and consulting that I do for private clients. So that’s the three aspects to my business. It’s mostly focused on marketing. So, I show business owners different marketing strategies that are working right now, that are inexpensive, and in a lot of cases even free, to implement.

Borja: Alright, so, it’s pretty straightforward, and people can find out about that at feedastarvingcrowd.com, right?

Robert Coorey: That’s right, yes; any of your listeners can get a free download of the book from feedastarvingcrowd.com.

Borja: Ok and how did you get to that business? How did you decide to make that your main business?

Robert Coorey: Look, I’ve been marketing ever since I was a kid. So, when I was seven, we had, at our school, what we call a car boot sale, or a car trunk sale, I don’t know what they might call it in North America. So, what happens with that is that you drive your car, you park it, and you fill up your trunk with as much stuff as you can sell, and then a lot of people come around, and they all buy from there. So, I had a really good experience that day. We sold lots of batteries, and flashlights, and torches that were very high quality, whereas most of the other people were selling all the old, used garbage around their house that they don’t want anymore, like old books and old jumpers, and old things like that. So, ours was a lot better than the rest of the competition, and ever since then, I’ve been fascinated with marketing and selling. When I was sixteen, I started a DJ business. At that stage, I invested a thousand dollars in a yellow pages ad, because I thought, “Well, if I just sell four DJ jobs, then that would pay for that ad.”

So, I’ve always been entrepreneurial from a very young age. And then, I worked in the corporate world for quite a number of years after graduating from UNI, did my MBA, and then I moved into my own business after working in the corporate world, and working in marketing agencies.

Borja: And, you also have a deal in Hollywood, right?

Robert Coorey: Yeah, that’s right. There’s a television show pilot happening with Hollywood, at the moment, and that’s very exciting. But, stay tuned to give you more information about that.

Borja: So, you’re a rock star, basically.

Robert Coorey: Slightly famous.

Borja: Alright. Also, some time ago, you almost broke the record for most attendees to a webinar, with the strategy that we’re going to talk about. Is that correct?

Robert Coorey: That’s correct. That is correct.

Borja: Would you mind telling a little bit about that story, so that people get a grasp of what they’re going to learn here?

Robert Coorey: Yeah. So, the world record webinar attempt was with a client of mine, in Australia, who was a nutritionist. So what we did for the nutritionist client was to say, “Look, run a webinar where we can announce a new product for you, so we’ll do a product launch via webinar. And, what we’ll do is that we’ll invite people, for two weeks to come to this webinar, through email marketing, and Facebook ads. People can register for the webinar, we’ll give them some good information, and then we’ll announce your product at the end, and do a launch.” So, that was, essentially, how that all worked.

Borja: Beautiful, and how many people did you get into that webinar?

Robert Coorey: We had seven thousand, nine hundred and ninety one register, which was exciting. It was a lot of people. And, we had, as far as we could see, there was about seventy five to eighty percent that actually showed up. The reason why we don’t have the exact number is because, at the moment, our platform crashed, one minute into the webinar. It couldn’t hold that volume of people.

Borja: What do you do with that?

Robert Coorey: It’s a disaster. If you’ve got eight thousand people waiting to hear about the webinar, and then the whole thing dies, and no one can access it, you can understand there’s a lot of anger, and anxiety amongst the customer base.

Borja: I figured, yeah. So, you did this webinar, but you didn’t have a product yet. So, my question is what comes first, the list, or the product idea? What do you do first?

Robert Coorey: Well, the way that I go about it, if my client hasn’t got a list, and they haven’t got a product, you can still do a launch. There’s a few ways to do that, and we’ll go through that now.

So, essentially, what you do is you look at what you want the product to be. So, in your mind, you determine what it’s going to be. If it’s going to be a training course, then you say, “Ok, in week one we’re going to teach this, in week two, we’re going to teach that, in week three we’re going to teach this, so you’ve got a five week, or a ten week, training plan, for what that course is going to teach.

And then, what you do is, you don’t even need to create it yet, so, you say that you’re going to run a webinar, you put a webinar landing page up, and then you get people to register for the webinar, and at the webinar you pre-sell that new course. You say, “We’ve got a new course coming out in two weeks time. This is exactly what we’re going to cover. If you’d like to buy it, here’s the price.” So, essentially, that’s the overall strategy of how you do it.

Borja: Ok, but how do you get that list? How do you say, “Alright, I need people? Where do I go and get people?”

Robert Coorey: Yeah, so, a lot of people say to me, “Rob, well this is all easy for you. You’ve got a big list.” Well, guess what? I started with a zero list as well. Don’t we all?. Anyone that had a big list started with a zero list at some stage. So, what you need to do, if you haven’t got a list, then you’re incorrect. You do have a list. Everybody has a list.

So, a lot of people come to me and say, “Rob, I haven’t got a list at all. I’m starting from scratch. What do I do?” Well, we do have a list. We’ve got business cards. You’ve been to a lot of networking seminars over the years. You’ve got a lot of business cards. You’ve got Facebook friends. You’ve got LinkedIn connections. You’ve got mobile phone contacts. You’ve got Twitter followers. You’ve got an email address book. You’ve got past and previous customers, and current customers. You’ve got plenty of lists. Everyone has lists.

Now, not every single one of your Facebook followers might necessarily want to buy your new course, but, there are a subsection of people in your community, in one of those lists, that will be able to by what you’re selling, surely. So what you could do is, you’re more than entitled, if you’ve got a list of business cards, you can go through those business cards and see who might be interested in this new offering, and you can send them one email to invite them to come to your new webinar. It’s perfectly ok to send them one email. It’s not ok to add business cards to your email database and spam them, ongoing, but, you can certainly send people one personalized email to invite them to come along. That’s fine.

So, even if you haven’t got a list, you can absolutely make this happen. You might not break the world record. That’s not going to happen, obviously, but you can get started.

Borja: Yeah, you can get started and maybe you can play around with the pricing, because if you have very few people that you can contact, maybe you can play around with the pricing, and perhaps create a high end product, and level the field that way, would you say?

Robert Coorey: That’s right, and it doesn’t have to be a training product. You’ve knocked the coaching and consulting, so that means you don’t have to have a product create it. You just start the consulting as soon as someone buys.

Borja: Yeah, maybe you can just write down the things that you know you can teach people, I don’t know, in a word that’ll command or something. And then say, “Alright, if I get any clients, this is what I will sort of get into with him and get my services this way.

Robert Coorey: That’s right.

Borja: What about Facebook ads? Let’s say you do have some budget, you do have some money that you’re willing to spend. How would you go about using Facebook ads to create some list?

Robert Coorey: What you do is you run ads. There’s two ways to do it. One, you can do the direct route. The direct route is writing ads directly to the webinar landing page, or directly select a book download page, a thing like that. And you say, “Hey, download the book,” or “Hey, come to the webinar. Here’s the link.” So that’s one way of making on the ads.

The second way is indirect advertising, or what they call native advertising. What you do with that is, you say, “Hey look, check out this great article I wrote about XYZ.” And so you advertise the article, and then once they’ve read the article, at the bottom of the article then you have a registration form where they can register to get a webinar, or get your book or things like that. So there’s two ways of going about it.

Borja: So if you advertise an article, and I advertise my podcast episodes.

Robert Coorey: Yeah, that’s really smart.

Borja: Yeah. I advertise my podcast episodes. This is something I haven’t really told a lot of people. But what I do is, I advertise my podcast episodes on Twitter and I target my guest’s followers, because they’re already familiar with you, specifically.

Robert Coorey: Spotify, very Spotify.

Borja: So I use Twitter cards. I advertise my podcast. It’s just, “This is not a product. I’m not asking for anything. People can listen to it.” They’ll see the sign up form at my blog, and I can start creating a rapport with these people.

Robert Coorey: Very smart. Now, the thing is, if you’re just getting started and you’ve got a very low budget, I would go the direct route, because you haven’t got budget to invest in blogs, and podcasts, and things like that.

Borja: I agree.

Robert Coorey: But if you’ve got a bit of a following and you’ve got some traction, then absolutely. That’s how you get scale. So then you start to promote the content.

Borja: You mentioned LinkedIn. Now, I have no idea how you create or download emails from LinkedIn.

Robert Coorey: Yeah, very easy.

Borja: How do you do that?

Robert Coorey: You can just go to your contact list in LinkedIn and export it.

Borja: Just like that?

Robert Coorey: Just like that.

Borja: I didn’t know that.

Robert Coorey: Now again, you don’t stick this into MailChimp and spam them. You just pick the selected people who would be the most likely to want to come to your new webinar, and then you invite them personally. You treat it like a wedding invitation at this stage, if you haven’t got their permission to be in your database.

Borja: Right. If you have their phone number you could…

Robert Coorey: You could even call them up. Absolutely!

Borja: Call them up.

Robert Coorey: Whatever it takes. If you haven’t got a list, you got to get down and dirty. This is not a time to be high and almighty, and think that you can just fill it up by osmosis. You have to actually get in there and do the work if you haven’t got a budget.

Borja: Yeah, go out and knock on doors.

Robert Coorey: Whatever it takes.

Borja: Yeah, whatever it takes. Hustling. So now, we have a list. We know people. We know who might be interested in our services, and we know what kind of services we’re going to be offering, because it makes no sense to get a list in, I don’t know, health industry and then in marketing industry and you have no product, you have no  idea.

I mean, we do have a product, idea state, or some sort of idea of what we’re going to sell. What do you do next? Do you get people to try to promote this for you like affiliates or something?

Robert Coorey: Absolutely. That’s the next step. So firstly, you have to launch it to your own people.

Borja: And to get some results.

Robert Coorey: Yeah, you need to, because if you come to me and you say, “Hey, I’ve got this new product of service. I don’t know if anyone wants it yet, and I don’t know if it’s any good. But can you recommend it to your customer list?”

Well, I’m going to say, “You know what? Can you give it a try first yourself and find out if it’s any good, before I put my reputation at risk?” Because everybody here has a database, wants to look after the database. They don’t want to sell them crap. So you need to prove it against your own list first, and then you can start to approach affiliates.

Borja: So you’re going to prove it against your own list.

Robert Coorey: Yeah.

Borja: How do you do that? Do you set up a—

Robert Coorey: You run webinar like we’ve said. You run the webinar like we said. Once the webinar is finished and you have some conversions and some people have purchased, and they go create a program and they’re happy, then you can go to affiliate. It’s like a month or two later to say, “Hey, we ran this webinar. We had 100 people that came. Ten people purchased it. They’re all happy. There’s no refunds. I’ve even got testimonials of people getting good results. I think should be great for your audience. What do you think?”

Borja: That’s great, because now you have a list, you have a proven concept and you can go to referrals with high chance of getting some traffic.

Robert Coorey: That’s right.

Borja: That’s information there. So how do you contact these people? How do we say, “Alright, hey promote my stuff.”

Robert Coorey: Just like I just said. Just like I just mentioned the best way to do it. So essentially, you have to put yourself in the affiliate’s shoes, because we all think about it from their perspective. Like, “Hey, I want you to email my list for me.” Well, let’s say for example I spoke to you and I said, “You know Borja, I’ve got a great new training program for free to starving crowd. I want you to email your database about my training program.”

You’re going to say, “Okay Rob, well that sounds alright. But can you show me what the program looks like? Is there any good? What’s this all for? Who’s using it? What kind of results are they getting? How many people buy it if we email it to 100 people? Like, what’s the conversion rate?”

You know what I mean? There’s a lot of things you want to ask me before you’ll agree to do a promotion to your database. And so before you ask anyone to promote to their database, you need to put yourself in their shoes and think, “Well, if this was my database, I’m quite protective of mine and these are the questions I want to have answered before I go promotion.”

Borja: Okay, so you know what you’re going to say. You know what your pitch is going to be to affiliates, because you have some results. But how do you find, how do you decide who you’re going to contact? How do you find out, or who would be willing to become an affiliate? What kind of people. I mean, you have no idea who’s out there.

Robert Coorey: Yeah, what you do is, generally speaking, look at who has a similar target audience to yours, but that doesn’t sell a competitive product. So if I’m selling business training and you’re also in business training, well if it’s the same kind of business then that’s not good.

But if you’re a specialist in Facebook and I’m a specialist in Twitter, then maybe we can craft it out to each other’s audiences. If I’m the Facebook expert you’re the Twitter expert, well then I’m happy to invite you to talk to my audience in case some of the Facebook people want to learn about Twitter, and vice versa.

So as long as you’re not serving exactly the same training, and it’s similar, like when you’re talking to a similar audience, then that’s a great way to think about conversion partners.

Borja: Okay, yeah. That makes sense, sort of finding out what services or product would come before or after your own services, kind of complimentary product sort of thing.

Robert Coorey: That’s right.

Borja: Like maybe you sell a website, or you can contact hosting, and you said that on your book, I believe.

Robert Coorey: Yeah, if you’re a like a marketing person, you can contact web hosting or web design people, because once people have a website that’s finished, then they need to get some traffic to the site. They need people to visit and embark in that site. They need marketing.

Borja: Right. And what are the other places will you recommend people going to find some affiliates?

Robert Coorey: You can also go to places like followerwonk.com or you can go to – there’s lots of sites where you can actually search the related blogs to your industry. And so if you find blogs that are related, so for example, if you’re an expert in advertising, then you might find someone that’s an expert in radio advertising. And so, there’s lots of related industries to what you do.

Borja: What do you say about online platforms, or joint venture platforms? For example, I’m familiar with MunchEye which is a place where a lot of online digital product sellers and affiliates get together.

Robert Coorey: Yeah, and they sell each other’s products. Yeah, they’re both very good platforms. They’re all great platforms. There’s ClickBank, there’s lots of them. But that’s slightly more advanced strategy than if you’re just getting started. If we’re talking to people who were just haven’t gone listed, and haven’t got a product yet, well you’re going to get eaten by the sharks in those different platforms.

Like I said, launch it to your own database first, and then handpick a few affiliates and approach them manually. And then you can start looking at those other platforms once you’ve got some traction.

Borja: Excellent. And now, let’s take a step back into the webinar, and into the launch, because a lot of people are going to be completely clueless about what to do in regards to setting up a webinar, or anything with that. Would you do a launch sequence? I know that this is some advanced techniques doing four videos before your webinar and creating some expectation for people. Or, would you go straight to the sale?

Robert Coorey: If you’re just getting started, go straight to the sale. You haven’t got time to do two weeks of a launch sequence with four videos, and all the technology that goes with that. So you definitely go straight to the sale.

Borja: Alright.

Robert Coorey: Doing this little product launch like that is a more advanced strategy.

Borja: Yeah, it is. It is, because you have to make these videos. You have to make a sequence, and make each video make sense. You need script and it definitely sometimes—

Robert Coorey: Yes, it‘s a lot of work.

Borja: Yeah, it’s a lot of work. It could take you up to, I don’t know, two months.

Robert Coorey: It would.

Borja: At least months, because you need a month to figure it out and record it, and then you need a month to actually send out these videos and setup a sequence.

Robert Coorey: And it’s a great strategy. Don’t get me wrong. It worked fantastically well.

Borja: Yeah, it is a great strategy.

Robert Coorey: But it’s not for people getting started, because you just need to get out there, do a quick webinar. Sell what you’ve got, get results and then move on from there. Once you’ve got some results then absolutely start looking at more advanced sequences like that. But you’re just getting started, keep it simple.

Borja: And would you at least recommend selling to emails. Sort of, “Hey guys!” I don’t know. Whoever you contacting, sort of warm them up and say—

Robert Coorey: Depends on your permission level. It depends on what the permission level is. If you got somebody who you’ve just met at a conference once five years ago, then I would not send them an email, because you don’t want to be pushy. And you haven’t got permission to email them multiple times.

Really, I would just do one friendly email that’s personalized and go from there to start with. Once you’ve got an email database that’s very different. You can send five emails to your list before webinar. But when you’re just getting started and you don’t have permission yet, you’re only going to be sending one email at a personalized email from your own email address.

Borja: Correct. And how about the webinar, how long do you do the webinars for, like on average?

Robert Coorey: You can do them from about—look, everybody has different opinion on this. My opinion is keep it short and sharp. I’ve got great results from a 30-minute webinar in the past. You can do a 60-minute, a 90-minute. I’ve got one case study in my cause is from a guy called Drag Moro. He’s one of the world’s top blogger and he runs three-hour webinars, and they get great results.

But to me, I tried running a two-hour webinar the other day. My conversion to one is good to run a longer one than to run a shorter one. So my audience likes shorter ones. John’s one likes shorter ones. So it depends on what your audience is, and you know your market better than I do. It depends on what the different market is.

Borja: Yeah, and in case you do have a list, you can even ask.

Robert Coorey: You can ask them. You can say, “Hey, do you like shorter or longer?” I think the way that people’s attention span to going in my market, they like shorter ones. John’s ones is all bloggers, so bloggers they’re generally like really good writers and they’re happy to have longer phone contents. That’s why the longer webinars work well for him. And so, like I said, depending on your market.

Borja: Yeah, definitely. If I was starting out, if I were to do my first ever webinar, I would definitely wanted it to be short because I’m going to be nervous. I’m going to be sorting things out. I definitely want to get that over with.

Robert Coorey: I think if you keep it short up, yeah, because the longer it goes the more chance you have of screwing things up.

Borja: And what webinar software? Let’s get into the actual tools that people could use. What webinar software do you personally use?

Robert Coorey: There’s a few different ones you can use. I’d rather not recommend on this podcast different providers, because I do use several different ones. I’d rather not. But there are a lot of very good ones out there.

Borja: Alright. I’ll provide people my own recommendations without listening to yours, so people know that it’s not coming from you. I’ll put that in the show notes.

Robert Coorey: Thank you.

Borja: And what about payment processors? Is it the same sort of thing?

Robert Coorey: Yeah, there’s a lot of ones you can use again. I drive a relationship to with about four different ones. What I recommend is, there are number ones that you can set up and get started but they don’t have any setup fees, and they pay

Borja: People can even setup a PayPal.

Robert Coorey: You can use that. Absolutely.

Borja: You know, set up a Paypal payment, and put the return URL be back your registration page, or something.

Robert Coorey: Absolutely.

Borja: Yeah. Do you record your webinars?

Robert Coorey: I do.

Borja: And would you advise someone doing their first webinar record it?

Robert Coorey: Yeah. Record it, and then send it to the people that couldn’t make it, because, like some people say, do live only and don’t record it, and don’t tell them that it’s not recorded. That’s OK, it’s an advanced strategy, and it does work for some markets, but if you’re getting started, you need as many people as you can to watch this webinar so you haven’t got the luxury of playing funny games like that.

Borja: Yeah. Definitely. Yeah, and you can even, for the future, once you’re more advanced and you’ve kind of got your feet wet, you can even set up, sort of, evergreen funnels, and use these pre-recorded webinars and you know, keep it going week after week, you know, in a way that makes sense, which would be a great way to set up some sort of passive income.

Robert Coorey: Absolutely.

Borja: If you…

Robert Coorey: That’s an advanced strategy, so you get to that a bit later.

Borja: Definitely that’s an advanced strategy, but, you know, it’s all stuff that people should, you know, keep in mind, ’cause if they do it now and in the future they don’t regret not having recorded their webinars or set up this funnel, and stuff.

Alright. Alright, we have a very, very, you know, simple process. We have something that people can implement very easily now, but I want to get into something that is very important, which is knowing your audience. This is something that I ask all of my guests, and it’s about your avatar. Who is Robert Coorey’s avatar? Who is your business’s avatar, your ideal customer, and what do you do to serve this person?

Robert Coorey: For my private clients, it’s someone that’s doing between $1 and $5 million dollars revenue in their business. I’ve worked with the business manager directly, they’ve got between, you know, five and twenty staff. They’re, like, already, like, slightly well-known in their market to an extent, like they’ve got a social media following and email lists, some public press, and they’ve got some products created and they want to take it to the next level. That’s my ideal client for a private client.

For my book and my course, it’s much wider than that. It’s really anybody that wants to either start a new business, or, you know, really ramp up their existing business. It’s very very wide, but it’s designed to be like that. Yeah, it covers a lot of different industries, a lot of different tactics, a lot of different topics. But for my very private clients, I’m very specific about who I work with.

Borja: Alright, well Robert, I think people have, you know, no excuse, no excuse now to go out and implement this ’cause we’ve covered all of the different things that people should you do, and can do to get started…

Robert Coorey: That’s right!

Borja: …right away. Where can people go to find out more about you, or maybe, you know, get some of your training, what you provide, because you do provide the book for free, am I correct?

Robert Coorey: Yeah. The book’s for free, and the course is available from the website as well. So you just go to feedastarvingcrowd.com and you can get access to all that stuff.

Borja: And as always that’s going to be on the show notes guys, so don’t worry about that. You can go over to rebelgrowth.com/episode8 and you’ll find that right there. Episode 8 or 9. Sorry about that!

So yeah, Robert, once again, thank you so much for coming to the show. I hope to have you again in the future, and it was a pleasure for me, and I’m sure it was a pleasure for my audience as well.

Robert Coorey: I really enjoyed it, and thanks for having me on the show.

Borja: Alright.

Right then. Hope you enjoyed that interview with Robert. I don’t want you to lose any time. I want you to jump right into your computer, and start implementing all of these steps to get your first product out there, to start gathering a list of people that you can sell to, and forget about a budget. You just heard Robert say that you don’t need a budget to create this. If you have some budget, you just learned how to use that budget all the same. So, go out, and do it, and report back to me. Ask for some help, I’ll make sure to do everything in my power to help you, and if you have any questions or you want to make any comments, you can use the hashtag #moneydiver9 on Twitter, and we can get the conversation going about this topic. Once again, guys, thank you so much for your time. Go out, implement, and keep money diving.